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    Dyrdek Rob

    i was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS for over 5 years which made loose my job and my relationship with my fiance after he discovered that i was having HIV, he departed from me i tried all my best to make him stays with me, but neglected me until a friend of mine on Facebook from Singapore told me Great healer, who will restore my life back with his powerful healing spell, he sent me the email address to contact (dr.aribaspelltemple@outlook.com) and i quickly contacted him, and he said my condition can solved, that he will treat the disease immediately only if i can accept trust him and accept his terms and condition, i Agreed because i was so much in need of help by all means, so i did all he want from me and surprisingly on Sunday last week He sent me a text, that i should hurry up to the hospital for a checkup, which i truly did, i confirm from my doctor that i am now ( HIV NEGATIVE) my eyes filled with tears and joy, crying heavily because truly the disease deprived me of many things from my life, This is a Miracle, Please do not en-devour to email dr.aribaspelltemple@outlook.com, or draribaspelltemple@gmail.com for healing and solution

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    Dyrdek Rob

    i was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS for over 5 years which made loose my job and my relationship with my fiance after he discovered that i was having HIV, he departed from me i tried all my best to make him stays with me, but neglected me until a friend of mine on Facebook from Singapore told me Great healer, who will restore my life back with his powerful healing spell, he sent me the email address to contact (dr.aribaspelltemple@outlook.com) and i quickly contacted him, and he said my condition can solved, that he will treat the disease immediately only if i can accept trust him and accept his terms and condition, i Agreed because i was so much in need of help by all means, so i did all he want from me and surprisingly on Sunday last week He sent me a text, that i should hurry up to the hospital for a checkup, which i truly did, i confirm from my doctor that i am now ( HIV NEGATIVE) my eyes filled with tears and joy, crying heavily because truly the disease deprived me of many things from my life, This is a Miracle, Please do not en-devour to email dr.aribaspelltemple@outlook.com, or draribaspelltemple@gmail.com for healing and solution….

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    Kevin Charleston

    Saul Shoot has a history of distorting the truth in an
    attempting to satisfy his own (and his clients’) ends. His statement that
    the ASA’s Code of Advertising Practice “has the effect of presuming all
    advertising is false unless otherwise proven” is baseless and
    irrational. This is not a court of law. The burden of proof
    does not lie with an accuser.

    When it comes to science (and medicine is a science, and so
    therefore medical advertising) the burden of evidence lies with the party
    making the assertion. If I claim that product ABC cures or treats ailment
    XYZ – the responsibility is mine to prove that it does. It is no
    coincidence that we use “Snake Oil Salesman” to describe a purveyor of
    fraudulent products, a term derived from travelling salesmen flogging fake
    medicines.

    The Consumer Protection Act attempts to protect consumers
    (41.1) from false and misleading marketing. The ASA’s CAP specifically
    requires that an advertiser hold documentary evidence to support all
    advertising claims (direct or implied) – before publication of the
    advert (Substantiation 4.1).

    The ASA does not investigate adverts unless there is a
    complaint. A great many of the complaints do not even get passed on to
    the advertiser, simply because the complaint is not valid or reasonable.
    Only pertinent complaints even get referred back to the advertiser. Far
    from presuming that all advertising is false – the presumption is that the vast
    majority of adverts are legal, decent, honest and truthful.

    Now, if the advertisement is considered suspect in reference
    to one of the many paragraphs in the CAP, the advertiser is given an
    opportunity to present their side of the story. At this point they are
    able to simply present the evidence they should have had when they published
    the advertisement (many only start scratching for the truth at this
    point). For medical (scientific) advertising claims – the evidence should
    employ a valid, proven, scientific method. Substantiation may also take
    the form of evidence from independent, credible experts in the particular
    field.

    For the tiny fraction of advertising that ends up being
    subjected to examination by the ASA Directorate on grounds of ‘truth’, the
    advertiser may continue to use the advert – until the Directorate actually
    rules. From experience, this has never taken less than 4 months in a
    consumer complaint – and some have taken over a year. When the ASA
    Directorate finally makes its ruling, it considers both the complaint and the
    responses from the advertiser. Should the advertiser fail to adequately
    substantiate their claim in relation to the complaint, they may get an adverse
    ruling – in which case they are requested to cease the advertisement until they
    have provided suitable substantiation. There is no “presumption of guilt”
    – it is up to the advertiser to put up or shut up.

    But let’s return to the question of law. If I
    advertise a car in the newspaper, Joe pays me a deposit, and I don’t deliver
    the vehicle; then Joe has a right to lay a complaint of fraud with the police –
    without having to pay anything to get the complaint laid. The police will
    examine the evidence, and pass it on to the prosecutor – who will go through
    the formalities and the complaint end up in court. The complaint has
    enough evidence to support it – that burden of proof of the complaint is
    satisfied. Now the burden of evidence lies with me. If I fail to
    provide sufficient evidence and land up in jail – this is not because I was
    presumed guilty. It is because I failed to supply enough evidence to
    convince the magistrate otherwise. If I appeal, I will bear substantial
    legal fees.

    If every Joe were forced to pay to lay a complaint with the
    police, few complaints would actually get laid. If every Joe were
    required to act as prosecutor themselves, very few true complaints would
    succeed. The ASA has recognised this fact, and provides for consumers to
    lay complaints about advertising without charge.

    Shoot, standing for the advertiser, is asserting that
    his clients’ advertising is truthful, and in the public interest – and that the
    ASA is incompetent to evaluate medical evidence. Therefore the advertiser’s
    word must be taken, and the adverts shouldn’t be banned. But this
    is not actually the case. The ASA does not need to have medical expertise
    – merely the rational analysis of evidence presented. A judge in a
    medical negligence case does not need to have medical training. It would be
    absurd to demand that every judge have suitable qualifications in every field
    for every case on which she ruled.

    Let’s take a case in which Shoot, Solal and I were
    involved. Solal claimed that “Vitamin D was more effective than a
    vaccine” and that it was “extremely safe”. I registered a complaint with
    the ASA in April 2010 indicating that both statements were untrue. In August
    2010 (4 months later) the Directorate ruled that they had rejected Solal’s
    substantiation because it was not from a suitable independent and credible
    expert //www.asasa.org.za/ResultDetail.aspx?Ruling=5267.
    That particular matter was handled by Stephan Vos.

    In June 2011 Solal submitted further ‘substantiation’ along
    with a remarkable claim (from Saul Shoot) that my complaint was dishonest
    because I was employed by the TAC and that the TAC sold supplements, and that
    this was therefore a competitor complaint, and the ASA should not have accepted
    it as a consumer complaint. This is all absolute twaddle – as was the
    content of the ‘substantiation’ – a handful of articles and inadequate studies
    scraped from the internet. Some of this ‘evidence’ contradicted itself, and
    some was plainly ludicrous – a tiny study of Japanese schoolchildren taking
    Vitamin D was compared with a study of the efficacy of flu vaccinations in the
    aged. In the scientific realm this is like comparing apples with
    motorbikes. The Directorate again ruled that the substantiation was
    insufficient – also noting “While not material for the purpose of this
    ruling, the Directorate would like to express its disappointment at the
    respondent’s allegation that it had these documents on hand all along, and
    prior to publishing the advertisement. If this is indeed so, why has the
    respondent waited nearly a year to attempt to have its claims substantiated?”
    (//www.asasa.org.za/ResultDetail.aspx?Ruling=5953)

    It is wrong to say that each Appendix to the CAP is ‘owned’
    by an industry stakeholder. Whilst some of them appear to have been
    agreed by industry-specific groups – not all of them could be regarded as
    ‘owned’.

    It should be noted is that the Appendix A before 2010 also
    provided for Complementary and Alternative Medicines advertising (Appendix A is
    now for Alcohol). That Appendix was also removed without warning.
    At the same time, the industry attempted to bypass the ASA – setting up the
    Marketing Code Authority (//www.marketingcode.co.za/).
    The CAMS industry has managed to stifle the MCC from regulating CAMS
    products. This lack of regulation and its advertising has left a gap that
    the market filled, as only free markets can, in an unconstrained and unsafe
    manner.

    The MCC has started implementing its guidelines for CMs –
    much to the unhappiness of that industry. No surprise that the Health Products
    Association is now trying to pass its own Appendix to the ASA CAP – one which
    effectively installs its own ‘expert’ into the complaints adjudication
    process.

    So what of that Appendix F complaint? The ruling from the
    Judge King and the FAC is interesting – particularly the final paragraphs which
    pertain to Shoot’s and Solal’s actions (//www.asasa.org.za/ResultDetail.aspx?Ruling=5946):

    “The final matter for
    consideration … is the conduct of the Appellant [Solal]. …

    We agree with the Respondent’s
    [Me] sporting reference to the Appellant playing the man and the referee instead
    of the ball. The Appellant’s conduct is a matter deserving of serious comment.

    … The Appellant through its
    counsel refused to retract the statements and demands. …

    …. In any event on the
    question of returning a deposit to an Appellant, if we have that
    discretion, we would have exercised it against the Appellant because of its
    acrimonious conduct.”

    Saul Shoot requested condonation from Judge King for a late
    filing of appeal in the Appendix F matter – because he was away on family
    holiday, and because it coincided with Jewish holidays. At the same time
    he wrote me an extraordinary letter of demand –that I pay R360,000-
    because I had the temerity to lodge complaints with the ASA and to not
    back down from my belief in the veracity of the complaint. (//www.quackdown.info/article/solal-technologies-astonishing-letter-demand/
    )

    So what about those sugar claims? Once again Shoot
    fails to provide the whole truth. He says “The ASA has ignorantly and
    irrationally banned true advertising claims that are in the public interest.
    For example: ‘Too much sugar can cause weight gain and diabetes.’”. But
    that statement forms only a fraction of the wording of the advertisement.
    The rest of the advert makes disparaging (and unproven) claims against sugar
    (E.g. that it increases the risk of cancer) – and that Solal’s product was a
    healthier alternative. It should be noted that Solal’s product was mostly
    Stevia; at the time of the advert this was unapproved in South Africa and
    therefore an illegal food substance.

    The SA Sugar Association complained – a paid-for competitor
    complaint (i.e. not from the “small group of activists and the TAC”) and the
    Directorate ruled that the advert was unsubstantiated and disparaging of a
    competitor. The Directorate’s ruling is worth reading in full (//www.asasa.org.za/ResultDetail.aspx?Ruling=5554).

    Shoot’s appeals to the WHO are irrelevant – the WHO says
    nothing about a causal link between sugar and cancer, or anything about Stevia
    being better than sugar for that matter. Saul Shoot wants you to believe
    he’s an attorney who knows medicines better than the ASA does, and that the
    adverse rulings are because of “irrational complaints” which are fraudulently
    made.

    Solal have been trying the “but the ASA doesn’t apply to me”
    excuse for a long time – the Sugar ruling above makes that quite clear.
    Shoot is incorrect to suggest that the ASA have no jurisdiction over
    Websites. Every ‘South African’ website is subject to the ECT and
    broadcasting acts; both of which entrench the right to fair marketing
    practice. All South African Internet Service providers belong to the ISPA
    – whose code specifically requires adherence to the ASA. The SA Press
    Associations and most of the magazines are members of the ASA. One one hand
    Shoot is correct – you can ignore the ASA. But if you want your advert
    published – you’ll have to find some dark little corner where the ASA has no
    traction.

    Which brings up an interesting issue – Groupon does not
    appear to use a South African ISP. But does that mean that the ASA cannot
    rule on their web-based advertising? Section 14.5 and 15.4 of the ASA
    Procedural guide suggests that the ASA could order its members to withdraw all
    advertising space in respect of the defaulting advertiser. So advertisers
    like Groupon could ignore an ASA ruling as long as they never want to advertise
    again in the newspapers.

    Which is probably why Solal stopped advertising in the major
    national newspapers, ceased to be a member of the HPA, and started
    printing its own magazine “Health Intelligence” packed full of pseudoscience
    (like healing yourself by walking barefoot) and its own
    advertising.

    Full Disclosure: Solal
    (through Saul Shoot) have laid a defamation suit against me for this article
    published on Quackdown. //www.quackdown.info/article/health-intelligence-magazine-it-marketing-or-education/
    . Section 27 is supporting me in this matter. We have responded,
    and they have failed to pursue this complaint further –the ball is firmly in
    their court. I believe that their reluctance to proceed is because
    their only intent was to try and frighten me into silence. Details of
    their complaint and our response is here: //www.quackdown.info/article/solals-slapp-suit/

    Gail Schimmel is correct in taking the ASA to task for its
    poor administration. The CAMS appendix A too was dropped months before
    their website was updated. They have “lost” or “misfiled” 4 of my
    complaints. Email requests for information are ignored. Consumer complaints
    take many, many months to achieve a ruling – by which time many unscrupulous
    advertisers have long achieved their intent. Their website is
    poorly constructed – and displays long out-of-date information (the Ad Alerts
    page hasn’t been updated in years, the statistics are for 2009/2010, the Code
    Review page has a submission date of 30 March 2012).

    Schimmel is also correct in demanding less secrecy, the lack
    of openness merely feeds into industry paranoia.

    Despite these shortcomings, the ASA is still a moderately
    effective institution. The process may be slow, and balls might get
    dropped – but it is still an organisation with meaning and stature which gets
    work done. The number of complaints is a testament to this.

    For all Shoot’s and Vos’ sour-grapes about activists – the
    Directorate has found no evidence of disingenuous or malicious complaints
    regarding CAMS advertising, nor evidence of any vendetta. If advertisers
    had the reasonable, relevant, credible and independent substantiation for the
    claims they make (and they should know by now what they need) – complaints will
    cease. They only have themselves to blame by participating in a
    free-for-all of snake-oil-madness. My only agenda is truth in advertising
    – and more specifically in medical advertising.

    It should be remembered that the ASA is an industry
    implemented and supported watchdog. The advertising industry has chosen
    self-regulation in lieu of a state-imposed alternative. That the ASA is
    seeking to be an obmud under the CPA should give the industry more say than a
    more ruthless government-run watchdog. Hopefully any increased
    stature will provide more scrutiny and transparency.

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    John Williams

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    Riddley Daniel

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    Riddley Daniel

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    Website: great-drariba.webs.com…..

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